Every discerning observer will recognize that in the Dispensation of the Qur'an both the Book and the Cause of Jesus were confirmed. As to the matter of names, Muhammad, Himself, declared: "I am Jesus." He recognized the truth of the signs, prophecies, and words of Jesus, and testified that they were all of God. In this sense, neither the person of Jesus nor His writings hath differed from that of Muhammad and of His holy Book, inasmuch as both have championed the Cause of God, uttered His praise, and revealed His commandments. Thus it is that Jesus, Himself, declared: "I go away and come again unto you." Consider the sun. Were it to say now, "I am the sun of yesterday," it would speak the truth. And should it, bearing the sequence of time in mind, claim to be other than that sun, it still would speak the truth. In like manner, if it be said that all the days are but one and the same, it is correct and true. And if it be said, with respect to their particular names and designations, that they differ, that again is true. For though they are the same, yet one doth recognize in each a separate designation, a specific attribute, a particular character. Conceive accordingly the distinction, variation, and unity characteristic of the various Manifestations of holiness, that thou mayest comprehend the allusions made by the creator of all names and attributes to the mysteries of distinction and unity, and discover the answer to thy question as to why that everlasting Beauty should have, at sundry times, called Himself by different names and titles.Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Iqan,
Yes Muhammad, copied the bible who were copied from pagan books and create a new religion to go and loot.
ReplyDeleteAnd Baha and his mob including yourself as well as their predecessors, did recognized the same opportunity, and we are where we are now right ?
ReplyDeleteDear Ali which one of Bahá’u’lláh"s teachings don't you like?
ReplyDeleteThe abandonment of all forms of prejudice?
The elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth?
The realization of universal education?
The oneness of humanity?
Religion must be the cause of unity?
Independent investigation of truth?
Dear Mehran,
ReplyDeleteNone of the principals that are promoted are not necessary bad
and any human with a bit of feeling will fall into the trap.
How ever it is very simple minded to think that these are
for betterment of my life and yours, or there has ever been
a divine intervention. Rather we have been told what made us
happy, and have been tried over and over to control and use
the humanity.
These concepts are put together, and if you look through the
history of mankind you will see exactly same things. (Please
investigate the Sufi orders, naghsh-bandi and nematulahi and
you will find exact replica of baha'i faith long ago)
The fact is that this baha'i faith is the creation of iranian
culture and thinking rather than to do anything with god.
(as well as shia).
Now, if what has been said was not in context of a religion,
that it could be refined and worked on, but the fact that is
god's word, makes it written in stone and get old and corrupted
and a tool of oppression.
Then these concept, become the tools for you and me go and die
and lose property and time and energy and will takes the power
of thinking and reasoning from the society.
It eventually become very ugly killing machine, by the minders
that will use it to their own benefits and by getting a third
party (namely god) to the augment they always win and deceive
by trowing the words like test, god will, dis-engagment and so
on.
There are a lot can be said on this but in short it is tool to
deceive and benefit rather than good, and it is because
religion demands blood and property and to homogenous and with
no logic to be useful.
Religion, is the quickest root to corruption and misjustice,
and its aims is only to serve itself for its own minders
benefits.
Please give us your thoughts, and believe me you are wrong
baha'i faith is not the answer either, it is already very
corrupt and self serving, and its minders will not careless
how many people will get killed or destroyed as they have
shown over and over again.
They are all wolves in sheep cloths.
Thanks
None of the above ideas are bad, however, they are man made concepts that have been designed for profiteering. They did tell you what you wanted to hear. It is all good, tell later they will use these same ideals to get the benefits from mankind.
ReplyDeleteDear Ali,
ReplyDeleteI respect your ideas, however I don't agree with it.
It seems you are well educated person, so may I ask you what do you believe in?
Also you mentioned "baha'i faith is not the answer either, it is already very corrupt"..., could you elaborate on how you came to this conclusion that Bahai Faith is corrupt?
Best wishes.
Dear Mehran,
ReplyDeleteI do not believe in any organized religion what so ever,
and as you may have already recognized, I think, it is
rationally impossible for any logical man to believe otherwise.
However, I do believe in what you may call god, gods, force or even unity of existence, but do oppose any concepts of revelation and or profitdom.
Regarding, corruption in baha'i faith, the examples and accusations are many, but, I am sure you will not agree
to any of them or will try to justify them as I can see
it from your own discussions with others and how do
baha'ies do conduct themselves in social media and forums.
This out right denial itself points, to fanaticism and
a religious mindset who wants to see and promote itself
very pure and clean even by waste energy to hide the facts.
We do have many examples of corruptions in every organised religion, but it is particularly quite cult like that bahai
friends do their out-most denial to promote they are
absolutely different, which kills their own ideals and believe
of thinking they have answers.
I am sure you can find many examples told over the internet, by
individuals and it virtually impossible that they all are not saying the truth.
Should you want examples, azal/baha poisoning knife works and accusations of brothers. Abbas and his his brothers
power struggle. Relation of Shoogi with his own mother & family,
current divisions between baha'i sects and bayaanis. financial scandals in italy, hungry, india, australia, canada, newslands
and so on. as well as organized fraud and murders in committed by baha'i individuals out side iran as well as inside.
You simply can not have your cake and eat it too!
Mary Maxwell
Dear Ali / Mary Maxwell,
ReplyDeleteThere are two sides to every story.
"accusations" are easy to make however providing the proof is something else.
I am not saying ALL BAHSIS are "angels and perfect". Certainly I am not. However, The Revelation of Baha'u'llah, is.
To say a Baha'i did this or that so The Baha'i Faith is all bad, sounds too simplistic.
It's like saying all "blacks" are pimps, or all natives are drunk.
Dear Mehran,
ReplyDeleteMy apologies to left the word Mary Maxwell in my last post.
I was going to write, that, I actually, personally did met Mary Maxwell years ago, it was an unfortunate impression, that left me puzzled for years. However, I chose not to say that on my last post.
Regarding the baha'i conducts, It is actually very institutional.